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[[提案中]]
#contents

*現在、正式にサイトに導入するか提案中の案件 [#l5259801]
読んで字の通りです。
案件に対してどう思うかなどを、気軽にコメントの形で書き込んでみてください。

過去の話し合いは[[こちら>過去の提案]]

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**アルケミスト技能の制限について [#x85c5e50]
おはようございます、総管理です。
新レギュレーションへの移行に際して『アルケミスト技能』の制限を新たに裁定したいと考えています。
理由としては「インフレ傾向にある戦闘バランスを抑制する」ことが一番にあります。
したがって、何も制限を掛けないという選択はありません。何らかの制限は掛けることになります。
これをどのような制限にすれば良いか、みなさんの意見をお聞かせください。
現在出ている案は以下の通りです。これらを組み合わせて最終的な制限を作成します。

+アルケミストレベルによって、使用ランク制限をつける。
+アルケミストレベルによって、ランク毎の所持枚数制限をつける。
+マテリアルカードの単価を引き上げる。
+その他に案がある。

意見の際には以下のようにしてください。
　（番号）：（賛成or反対）。（文章）。
また、以下のような理由を添えて意見を残してください。
-何故賛成（反対）なのか。【理由】
-賛成であるなら、どれくらいの制限をかければよいか。何故そうすればいいのか。【具体案の提示と理由】
-反対であるなら、どうすればよいか。何故そうすればいいのか。【代案の提示と理由】

全ての意見を汲んだ上で、最終的な制限を決定したいと思います。
意見の募集期間は一週間（５／２４）までです。よろしくお願いします。

&color(blue){（追記）};
-&color(blue){返答１：アルケミストの推奨使用法は、サブ技能で能力値を底上げすることであり、上昇値は下がるものの損なわれてはいないと思います。};
-&color(blue){返答２：何故アルケミストにだけ注目するのか。公式のモンスターデータでは、練技などは使いますが、賦術は使わないからです。};
-&color(blue){返答３：今回の規制改正は、上位における基準値の上昇を抑制するための規制であり、下位の規制を目的としているわけではないことに注意してください。};
-&color(blue){返答４：キャンペーンのような固定卓ではなく、フリースタイルで遊ぶためかける制限だということに留意してください。};
（以下コメント）
- １：反対。アルケミスト技能の特性を損なうから。 -- [[六耳]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 19:29:33};
- ２：保留。制限される枚数による。１レベルでもSSを一回使えるくらいならOKかと。 -- [[六耳]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 19:32:09};
- ３：賛成。剥ぎ取りからの錬成は従来として、通常の基本価格を数倍にしてはと。 -- [[六耳]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 19:34:32};
- ４：アルケミストレベルによって通常購入できるカードランクを制限してみては？ -- [[六耳]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 19:36:35};
- １：反対。アルケミスト技能の推奨使用法をつぶしているから。 -- [[かぐやん]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 19:45:42};
- １：反対。アルケミスト技能の推奨使用法をつぶしているから。 -- [[かぐやん]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 19:45:42};
- 失礼ー　２：賛成。この中では最も視野を広くしてみた調整法だと思うので。　３と４は任せます。 -- [[かぐやん]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 19:48:55};
- １：反対　　但し、極端なレベル（1lvでSSを連打する、等）に関しては賛成。 -- [[スバル]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 19:59:52};
- ２：賛成　但し、余りに極端な枚数制限ではアルケミスト技能の制限（同時使用カードのランク制限等）にも関わるので慎重に。 -- [[スバル]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:00:59};
- ３：賛成　基本価格の１．５倍～二倍程度ならば受け入れられるかも、と。 -- [[スバル]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:02:11};
- １，２，３全てに反対です。戦闘バランスがただの名目になっています。白羽の矢をアルケミスト技能に立てただけです。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:09:55};
- インフレが著しい理由は、２Ｄ乱数の世界において、補助動作で可能な達成値の操作、それが実質的な問題であるはずです。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:10:19};
- 無印時代では成しえなかった練技、補助魔法、全てに当て嵌まります。何故、アルケミストだけの話をしているのか、明らかに歪みを感じます。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:10:33};
- １．反対　アルケミストはメインで獲らないといけなくなり、ＡＷの推奨と反しています -- [[嘉村法月]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:24:06};
- ２．制限される枚数によりますが大まかに賛成。アイテムスロットもあるわけですしね -- [[嘉村法月]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:26:53};
- ４．そも。夜々サンと同じく、バランス云々は補助動作での達成地操作にあると思いますし、それを制限するというならいっそ錬技符術ぜんぶ使用禁止にしたほうがスッキリします -- [[嘉村法月]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:30:05};
- 1には賛成です。言うなればアルケミのＡランクパラミスをＬｖ1で使えるというのは、言ってみれば練技Ｌｖ１でデーモンフィンガーを使えることに等しいとも言えます。アルケミの特色である金さえあれば多大な恩恵が得られる、というものはフリセを前提としたものではないと思われます。また、レベル制限をつけることにより、アルケミ特化の意義を見出すことにもなると思われます。 -- [[泡沫]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:32:59};
- 2に関しては反対です。それはもうすでにアイテムスロットという制限があるのに、それをさらに厳しくしてどうなるか、という話です。 -- [[泡沫]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:34:03};
- 3に関しては多少は致し方ないかと。確かに厳しいと思いますが、それによって得られる効果は多大なものです、S.W2.0において+1がどれだけ重い効果かというのは皆さんもご存知だと思われます。 --  &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:35:44};
- 1:賛成。この制限でメインがアルケミスト構成のキャラクターには支障はでないので良いかと、フリーセッションなんでルルブ等は推奨当てはめるのは無理でしょうし -- [[秋風]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:36:11};
- 2:反対。メインアルケミストへの影響が強いのと戦闘アイテム欄関係がネックかなと -- [[秋風]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:37:04};
- 3:反対。メインアルケミストのキャラクターが一番影響出ることになるで -- [[秋風]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:37:18};
- 3:反対。メインアルケミストのキャラクターが一番影響出ることになるで -- [[秋風]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:44:23};
- 私も反対の立場です。理由は夜々さんと同様、アルケミストにだけ制限を掛けるのは不条理、かつ、無意味です。これで何かが解決するとは思いません -- [[Zilch]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 20:57:17};
- どうしてもアルケミストを抑えたいのならば、各GMで制限を設けるべきだと思います。サイト方針で制限するのは止めて頂きたい -- [[Zilch]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 21:02:53};
- 1:賛成。お金はかかるがそれ以上の見返りがあると感じる。GMPをお金にできることを考えるとそれなりの制限が必要だと思える。 -- [[田中]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 21:03:58};
- 2、3:反対。1のような制限があるならそこまで必要性を感じない。 -- [[田中]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 21:04:26};
- 代案も何も、現状維持という意見ですが、強いていうならば「４：レベルによってランク制限の指針を設け、GMによってそれを採択可能とする」です -- [[Zilch]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 21:14:41};
- ３：反対。そもそも収入見合いでやればそこまでインフレするわけがない。つまりGMPとかいれるとか、本来報酬以上の資源をつぎ込んでるからインフレしてるんじゃないのかしら。つまり、単価上げてもインフレの歯止めにならないので無駄。むしろ普通にやってる人が苦労するだけになるのでこれは反対。 -- [[わかば]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 21:44:07};
- ４．個人的にはインフレになる賦術関係は、パラライズミストとSSカードの効果くらいなモノだと思っています。他については支援が重なる事によってのモノだと思うのでアルケミスト技能そのものの原因では無いと思います。なので案を出すとすれば、抵抗/短縮から抵抗/消滅に変更とSSカードは買えない　くらいかなと。 -- [[トーカ]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 22:19:41};
- ４：ちょっとここの意義とは違ってしまうかもしれないけれど、GMPの使い方を変える。現在は経験かお金どっちかと交換となっているが特定のレートで同時にはいるようにする。こうすると本来いないはずの低ランクなのに金はたくさんあるキャラをつくりにくくなる。GMをしているためにセッション参加できなくてキャラが成長できないというところを、その間どこかで冒険をしてその結果経験と資金を得たという状況を作り出せる。→結果、お金の使い方も雑ではなくなるのじゃないかしら。カード＝資金＝力のアルケミストの制御にはいいかもしれない（他の装備充実させるのにも同様に制限がかかるから全体的にもひきしまるんじゃないかしら -- [[わかば]] &new{2012-05-17 (木) 23:04:49};
- １　賛成。星１でＳカードとかばんばんきたらバランス崩壊してしまう。その分強さのインフレとかおこりそうで怖いです。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 00:48:40};
- ５レベルでＡカード、１０レベルでＳカード、１５レベルでＳＳカードくらいがちょうどよいかと思います。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 00:49:48};
- ２　賛成。理由は１と同じく、強さのインフレを防ぐためです。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 00:51:01};
- 枚数制限は、レベル枚数までがＢ、レベル枚数－２枚がＡ、レベル枚数－５枚がＳ、レベル枚数－７枚がＳＳ・・・くらいでいいのではないでしょうか。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 00:52:06};
- 反対。値段は今のままで妥当かと思われます。無理に引き上げる必要はありませんし、ＧＭＰなどでブースト可能ですから、あまり意味がないかと思われます。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 00:52:52};
- あ、上のは３の意見です。で、４は特にありません。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 00:53:17};
- 1.2.3 条件付賛成　かけ具合にもよります。現状で枚数自体は制限かかってるのに更にかけるの？というのはあるかな。 -- [[PTM]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 00:58:39};
- ↑の続き　あと、今回アルケミストに制限かける話になってるが、今後更に他の技能にも白羽の矢が向くんじゃないかなー（Ⅰのみ時代にⅡが出たときエンハンサーチートっ！？て思ったのと一緒ですね -- [[ＰＴＭ]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 01:01:17};
- 返答２について、今後のサプリと追加モンスターを考えると現状のモンスター基準を理由にするのは時価的な回答にしか思えませんし、公式アイテムも含め達成値の上昇が容易な世界がSW2.0であると考えてます。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 10:57:54};
- ですが、運営側の方針としてどうしても制限を掛ける前提であるならば、「４」シナリオギミックを破壊しかねないＳＳランクカードの全面禁止、及び、現行の☆０範囲でのＡランクカード以上の使用の禁止 を代替として提示します。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 10:58:08};
- 現行の☆１以上、ないしは、☆２以上でのＡランクカードを禁止するのは避けてほしいというのが願いです。また、アルケミスト技能レベルでの制限ではなく☆による制限を望みます。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 10:58:27};
- 夜々さんの代替案が凄く良いものなのでリスペクトします。 -- [[かぐやん]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 12:10:08};
- 同じく夜さんの代替案が素晴らしいので賛成なのであります -- [[嘉村法月]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 14:21:56};
- ３については反対です。低ランクで高価なカードを使う場合、ＧＭＰブーストができるため、下位で高ランクカードを使う人よりも普通に使っている人が被害を受けると思います。 -- [[護堂]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 15:15:49};
- 夜々さんの代替案くらいがちょうどいいのではないかと思います。ただし、現在発表されているグレードの分け方だと新☆１のＬＶ４～５でＡランクカードを使えるようにするか使えなくするか気になります。個人的にはなしでもいいと思いますが -- [[護堂]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 15:19:44};
- 夜さんの出された案、『使用ランクの制限：アルケミスト技能レベルでの制限ではなく、☆による制限』という案に賛成します。 -- [[カニッシュ]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 20:13:44};
- 1:反対。アルケミの基本コンセプトから外れているため。 -- [[建戌月]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 20:23:59};
- 2:反対。所持数制限が既に存在するため。 -- [[建戌月]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 20:24:34};
- 3:反対。ランクごとの報酬規定により緩やかにでも制限されていると考えられるため。 -- [[建戌月]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 20:24:53};
- 代替案とは言いませんが、高ランクにおける規制が必要であれば、各GMのローカルにおいてSSカード使用不可等を加えることで解決しそうな気がします。 -- [[建戌月]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 20:25:25};
- １：反対　切り札として高ランクカードをもっておく、などができなくなると、一発逆転ができなくなる。 -- [[Bee]] &new{2012-05-19 (土) 00:47:28};
- ２：反対　そもそもアルケミストのカード所持枚数は制限がない。現状の枚数制限ですら私は使う気が起きないくらいにひどいと思っている。 -- [[Bee]] &new{2012-05-19 (土) 00:48:10};
- ３：反対　基本自腹なのでアルケミストだけ出費が増えかねない。フリー環境で特定技能の費用だけかさませるのは愚劣の極み。これを導入するなら、カード費用の参加PC全員均等負担などのルールも同時導入するべき。 -- [[Bee]] &new{2012-05-19 (土) 00:50:01};
- １．２．３：反対　エネミーデータ集としてよく扱われるＢＴがＡＷ以降に出版されている以上、公式とはいえアルケミスト技能を前提としたものと考えます。成長回数を見直す以上、サイトの指針にあるボスの基準ＭＬ１．４～１．５を見直せばいいのであるのではないかと。 -- [[蛍]] &new{2012-05-20 (日) 11:43:49};
- 続き　新レギュレーションで採用する流派や次のサプリメントで導入されるであろう新種族・新技能が、更なるインフレを招く可能性もあります。全体をみてからの調整とし、場合によっては今までの制約の解除若しくは緩和も検討するべきと考えます。 -- [[蛍]] &new{2012-05-20 (日) 11:49:47};
- 最後　また、インフレすることによって得られる楽しさもあると思います。サイトルールとしての規制を極力なくし、そのままのＳＷ２．０として楽しめる環境であればと願います。長々と書きましたが、代案としては夏のサプリを見てからでいいんじゃない？という先送りになってしまいますが・・・。 -- [[蛍]] &new{2012-05-20 (日) 11:59:52};
- 返答４について、上位を何処までのランクで話しているのか分かりせんが、失礼ですが、運営側は現行ルールでの上位で遊んだことがおありでしょうか。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 09:45:02};
- 戦闘バランスという答えのない命題を出すのであれば、どのランクでどれほどの敵を想定としたバランスを考えられているのか、まずそれらの敵パターンを提示してください。新レギュ移行に伴いＰＣの成長が抑えられるとはいっても、その情報がなければ回答も想定も非常に困難です。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 09:45:12};
- 現行の1.5倍敵想定のままであれば、近接職はアルケミ技能なくして公式モンスターと戦うのはかなりきついのが現状です。またモンスターを近接職に合わせると後衛職に対してかなり無防備になる状態でもあります。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 09:45:22};
- これは防衛面を加味した特化しにくい近接職と、攻撃面に特化しやすい後衛職の差異であり、例え敵とのレベル差が縮まったとしてもこの差異は依然として存在します。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 09:45:31};
- 抵抗しなければ一撃で終わってしまう魔法も中にはあり、後衛職に対してまず対策を組むのは仕方ないと考えます。私は近接職向けのアルケミ技能が、その差異を縮めるメリットとして働いていると考えています。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 09:45:42};
- 上記の理由から、本当に現行のバランスを理解してるのか疑問に思いますし、返答を聞いてますます規制の目的が理解出来なくなりました。理解しようと別の想定をしようにも参考になるデータが不足です。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 09:45:53};
- また、アルケミ技能は本人だけが影響を受ける練技とは違い、種類によってはＰＣ全体が影響を受けれます。これはバランスデメリットを生む時もありますが、いわゆる「遊びの入ったＰＣ」を助けるメリット的働きもあります。一度、どういった「戦闘バランス」を目指しておられるのか、提示願えないでしょうか。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 09:46:04};
- 失礼。上記、返答３でした。訂正願います。　また、それほどモンスターレベルとの差異が生まれない下位、中位での報酬では賄いきれない高ランクのアルケミカードを抑制するならば、理解も出来ますし、賛同も出来ることを述べておきます。 -- [[夜々]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 10:16:46};
- １．２：賛成　　極端な例として１レベルだけ所持で、Ｓランクカードを使用による経験点以上の補助効果を実際に自キャラで運用しての感想、使用に際して考える程のバランスであると思われる -- [[架坐梳姫葦]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 16:53:23};
- ただし、これは現状のルールに対して、であり移行後の環境においては新たな制限に左右されるであろうため、現状結論を出すべきではないと判断する、よって仮の新レギュレーションが出るまで暫定保留・・・・・・結論すり合わせって大事だよね？ -- [[架坐梳姫葦]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 16:57:05};
- 長文失礼します。返答２以外が何についての返答なのかわかりません。返答１、返答４については特に異論はないです。返答２について、それは理由にならないと思います。なぜなら公式のモンスターはアルケミスト技能があることも前提につくられているはずのものもあるからです。アルケミスト技能登場前のモンスターが問題だというのであれば、アルケミスト技能登場後のモンスターに対してはどう保障するのかという問題が付きまといます。どちらにあわせるにしろ、アルケミスト技能の調整だけでは済む問題ではありません。ですのでアルケミスト技能を調整する以前にやるべきことがあるのではないでしょうか。返答３について、１，２，３案がすべて下位にも規制対象となっているように思えます。上位規制というのであれば、上位になればなるほど制限が厳しくなるべきです（☆７以降はSSカード利用不可など、所持枚数についてもランクがあがるごとに持てる枚数が減っていくなど）。マテリアルカードの単価でいえば、ランクごとに購入金額を変えるとか。もちろんランクが上がれば上がるほど高価になるように。 -- [[わかば]] &new{2012-05-21 (月) 23:43:07};
- 期間を過ぎたので一旦議論を締め切ります。多くの意見ありがとうございました。これらの意見を元に制限案を考えます。案は後ほどTOPに掲示します。 -- [[総管理]] &new{2012-05-26 (土) 01:24:51};
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**「ＮＰＣに行為判定を依頼する場合のルール」の改定 [#le2079e8]

どうも。細かいことを気にするプレイヤー、Zilchです。
タイトルにある件に関して、このサイトでは現状、次のようなルールになっています。

-行為判定の依頼料＝「目標値×目標値×１０」ガメル
-行使判定の依頼料＝「呪文レベル×呪文レベル×消費ＭＰ×目標値（下限１０）」ガメル

現状で気になっている点を挙げてみます。

-目標値が不明な場合に対応できない。特に鑑定などは、目標値を明かすこと自体が躊躇される場合もある。
-目標値というメタな要素を依頼料に反映させるのは、実際に依頼料を支払うＰＣの視点からすると、若干の違和感がある。
-依頼料が１ガメル単位となり、これも違和感がある。
例えば、バジリスクによって石化したキャラクターに【キュア・ストーン】を依頼する場合、石化の達成値が１６として、依頼料は３３３２ガメル。どうにも気持ち悪い。
--また、こういった解除は基本的に「達成値の比べ合い」であり、目標値という言葉は使われない。書き方自体にも問題がある。
-ペナルティの意味合いがあるにしても、一部の魔法が高額すぎるように思う。
１０秒の行使と少々のＭＰで済む行為に何千ガメルも請求するというのは、世界観的にも如何なものか。
--【イレイス・ブランデッド】も現状では８４５００ガメル。高レベルの神官が儀式を行うとはいえ、請求しているのは神殿なのだろうし、流石に暴利ではないかと思う。
-そもそも、計算が複雑。感覚的に分かり難い。

このルール自体が古いものであるため、仕方ないところもあるのですが。

実は、サプリメント『エターナル・エンパイア』に、こういった場合の公式の計算式が記載されています。
ルルブの時点で書いておけよ、とも思いますが。それに従うと、以下のようになります。

-行使判定の場合は「魔法のレベル×２００」ガメル。
-【リザレクション】など、行使に儀式が伴う場合は「魔法のレベル×魔法のレベル×２００（５００毎に切り上げ）」ガメル。
【リザレクション】の場合は「７×７×２００＝９８００」を切り上げて「１００００」ガメルとなる。
-鑑定の場合は依頼するＮＰＣの「技能レベル×技能レベル×１００」ガメル。

非常にすっきりして分かりやすいかと思います。

ただ、難点もあります。現行に比べると、魔法全体がかなり値下がりすることです。
解除手段がない下位のセッションでは利用しやすくなって助かるのですが、上位になるとどうなのか、と思います。
【レスキュー】でも１回２４００ガメルしかしないので、何か悪用法が発見されそうな気もします。

そこで、主要な魔法や判定に絞って「料金表」を作り、それ以外のものはＧＭが特別に許可した場合のみ、という形を提案します。
以下が『エターナル・エンパイア』の基準に従って計算した、主要な魔法の依頼料の一覧です。

|魔法名|依頼料（ガメル）|h
|キュア・ポイズン|600|
|キュア・ディジーズ|1000|
|リムーブ・カース|1200|
|キュア・ストーン|1400|
|プリザーベイション|1800|
|リフレッシュ|2000|
|イレイス・ブランデッド（儀式）|34000|
|アナライズ・エンチャントメント|1400|
|リザレクション（儀式）|10000|

これに上記の計算式を付記し、その他の魔法や行為判定はＧＭ判断とします。
値下がりの大きさから提案を見送っていたのですが、新レギュに以降するこの機会に改定してみては如何でしょうか。
意見をお待ちしております。
- エターナルエンパイアの魔法金額計算法は、エターナルエンパイアで作成された「街」のみの設定です。遊びやすいように非常に分かりやすく設定されているだけであって、ゲームブック独自のルールを全体のルールとして扱うのは問題があると思います。また目標値に関係なく値段を決定すると、上位になればなるほど安く魔法を依頼出来ることになるので、バランスの面から言っても良くはありません。ただ、金額が細かく分かれるのが分かりづらいという意見はもっともなので、エターナルの一定金額ごとに切り上げを採用するなどして、金額の端数をなくしたりなどは、ありかと思います。 -- [[またたび用心棒]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 19:07:02};
- 分かりやすくなって良いと思います。値段も高くなると利用されにくいでしょうし、この位でも良いんじゃないかなと -- [[トーカ]] &new{2012-05-18 (金) 21:36:52};
- 料金をわかりやすく一覧表とすることは便利だしいいことだと思います。元の金額が高いかどうかというと、決して高い金額ではないのではないかと思います。（例が悪いだけかもしれませんが）【イレイス・ブランデッド】を例示していますが、一生に一度しか受けることができず、消費MPが５０もする高位の神官の時間をとらなければならないような儀式を９万程度でうけられるのであれば妥当じゃないでしょうか？　むしろ安いんじゃないのかと思うくらいです。神殿の運営はこういった寄進でなりたっているもののはずですから。当然高位のNPCに依頼することになるのでそもそも受けることができるかどうかというところでひとつの壁を設けるレベルの内容ですが。　　　　　ちょっとここからは本題から外れるきがしますので付記程度に：ここでは前提として記載する必要もないので記載されていないだけだと思っていますが、NPCによるスキル代用は濫用されるべきものではないと考えています。なぜならPCがスキルを取得する理由の低下につながるからです。一覧表として見やすくしたとしても利用する際には必ずGMの許可が必要（PLが言えば必ずつかえるものではない）という認識は絶対必須だと考えています。当然PCがセッション外でお金払ってつかってもらったなどと省略するのは論外だと思っています。GMが参考するとして表があるのはありがたいけど、あくまでGMが出すときの参考事例であって一般にPCがつかう金額表ではないという認識です。 -- [[わかば]] &new{2012-05-22 (火) 01:21:44};
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