AWitem のバックアップソース(No.5)

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*AWアイテム危険物集積所 [#qb576533]
※あくまでPCの手に渡るのがヤバい代物であって、セッション中限定でシナリオソースにするのは別だよ！

**〈アイテム名〉 [#x02a49e3]
効果はなんとなく書いても完コピはだめだよ！


**〈軽業のブーツ〉 [#of45fd1a]
転倒してもすぐ起き上がることができる靴。
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- 確かに効果だけ見ると便利ですが……あるなしの差が激しすぎると思われます、よって、導入しないほうがよいのではないでしょうか。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:37:30};
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- 実質現状前衛の足装備が韋駄天ブーツの一択になってる節がある以上、全員装備前提ってのは無いかと。選択肢を増やす意味でも規制は反対で。有る無しの差なんていったら赤の眼鏡なんかもそうだし理由にゃならんかなあ、と。 -- [[タマゴ]] &new{2009-09-07 (月) 23:26:05};
- 実質現状前衛の足装備が韋駄天ブーツの一択になってる節がある以上、全員装備前提ってのは無いかと。選択肢を増やす意味でも規制は反対で。有る無しの差なんていったら赤の眼鏡なんかもそうだし理由にゃならんかなあ、と。 -- [[タマゴ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 00:04:38};
- 規制に一票。韋駄天は「他にいいのが無い」が一択になっている最大の理由なので上位ランカーに取ってはただ入れ替わるのみかと。というかこれ導入されたら私は蛮族全員にこら何をするやｍ(ry -- [[蛇蝎]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 01:08:09};
- 人鳥さんと概ね同じ意見。導入するならば能力制限が必要になるようなものかと -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:27:47};
- 規制に一票。皆持ってるか持ってないかの両極になりそうなアイテム。 -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:11:06};
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**〈魔改造初心者キット〉 [#m5ad8a60]
初心者も何もねーべ。
- 規制一票。キャンペなら兎も角…っていう。あと効果に関してミストキャッスル参照させるあたり、そういう意味でもアウトじゃないかしら。 -- [[TALE]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 20:02:30};
- 規制に一票。そんなお手軽に魔改造されたら困るというか。 -- [[seth]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:01:39};
- 規制に一票。これは、人が使っていいものではないと思います。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:37:53};
- 規制に一票。なんていうか、理由は御察しくださいとかそんなレベル -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:29:14};
- 規制に一票というか、自分で買ってやろうって人いるのこれ？（ぇ -- [[またたび]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 07:46:41};
- 規制に一票。霧城から出てこないでください魔改造技術。 -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:18:28};
- 規制に一票。ＰＣが購入して使っていい代物じゃなし・・・ｗ -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:33:08};
- 規制に一票……ちゅーかいらん（・ｘ・ -- [[青空知見]] &new{2009-09-25 (金) 16:57:29};

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**〈穢れの酒〉 [#re94ce52]
洒落ならん。
- 規制一票、と。キャンペならともかくｒｙ（キャンペでもこんなもんそうそう使わせない気がするけど）。 -- [[TALE]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 20:05:01};
- イベントですらＰＣに使用させるべきではないレベルだね！ -- [[人鳥]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 20:28:40};
- 規制に一票。 -- [[seth]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:02:27};
- 穢れを自らまとう・・・という行為は、世界観から見ても、人道的によろしくない行為だと思われます。 -- [[規制に一票]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:38:39};
- 規制に一票。理由はｒｙ -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:29:36};
- 規制に一票というか、自分で買ってやろうって人（ｒｙ -- [[またたび]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 07:48:27};
- 規制に一票。NPCイベント用だろうこれは！ -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:19:28};
- 規制に一票。魔改造と同様で。 -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:33:32};
- 話し合う余地すらないアホアイテム。誰だ考えたの。 -- [[青空知見]] &new{2009-09-25 (金) 16:58:00};

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**〈穢れの杯〉 [#a34331d7]
穢れの酒のむ杯。あほか。
- 上と同じ意見です。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:39:04};
- 以下同文。魔改造も穢れ酒も（ｒｙ -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:33:53};

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**〈異形の面〉 [#i43a0da8]
自動回復、どう見ても破格。
- これはない（ぁ -- [[人鳥]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 20:28:08};
- さすがにこれは・・・・ナイトメアさんにとってはうれしいでしょうが、こう、バランスブレイカーな道具なのではないでしょうか。規制に一票。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:40:26};
- ナイトメア使いとしては喉から手が出るほど欲しいけど明らかにないわー、というレベルなので規制に一票。ウワァン（何） -- [[緋咲]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 12:15:02};
- こいつは流石に……規制に一票。ちょっとシステム違うわねっていうかボスが付けるモンじゃね -- [[タマゴ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 08:23:34};
- 喉から手が出るぞぉ！　気をつけろぉ！　お値段がお値段とはいえ、性能が性能なので規制に一票。 -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:31:05};
- 規制に一票。フリセでPCが入手する代物じゃない。 -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:20:32};
- 自然回復は強いかと。元のデータ見てないのでアレですが規制に一票 -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:34:34};

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**〈首切り刀〉 [#fbbcdf7b]
回れば回る程に…無双ぱねぇです。
- まあ別にいいんじゃない？　って感じ。期待値で見れば威力+2されたのと同程度なんだよねえ…。 -- [[TALE]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 20:09:59};
- マジックアイテムの標準規格と比較してみる。威力＋１０はダメージ＋２と概ね互換なので、クリティカル時にダメージ＋２という効果と読み替えられる。連続してクリティカルすると、＋２、＋４、＋６ってなっていくくけど……そんなに回ったらとっくに「もうやめｔ（ｒｙ」ってなってるか（ぁ　　デスサイズの効果は、これが固定で（しかもＡランクで）２．５回転分ってことになるし……るるぶの魔法武器としては、こんなものかもしれない。 -- [[人鳥]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 20:24:53};
- まあいいんじゃないかな、と思う。他の高レート武器使ってたほうがダメージでるんｚｙ（ｒｙ -- [[seth]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:04:32};
- うーん、少々強すぎるのではないでしょうか、よって、規制に一票。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:42:44};
- これは問題ないかなぁ、と思ってます。いや正直に言おう私は欲ｓ（ｒｙ -- [[緋咲]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 12:12:36};
- これは、まだ大丈夫かなとは…。そこまで回せる事はないと思います…。　　正直、私も筋力と見た目の意味で欲ｓ（ｒｙ -- [[でんでん]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 12:22:50};
- はっきり言って危惧する程じゃないかと。規制には反対一票。回せば強い、なんて何でも一緒だし、S装備だってのもあり。 -- [[タマゴ]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 14:05:09};
- 回すのが前提の時点で、そんな強くは無いかと。規制する必要は無しに一票 -- [[はぐれ猫]] &new{2009-09-07 (月) 11:23:42};
- 威力どうこうより処理がめんどくさいかな（笑）。あと、この武器、魔法の武器じゃないから魔化もカスタマイズもできると思うけど…（魔法の武器の印ついてなかったと思うけど）。 -- [[みけらっと]] &new{2009-09-07 (月) 19:25:19};
- ２回も３回も回ったら元々もっと高威力な武器は強いです。ので能力的に規制は必要ないかと。ただ処理が若干面倒かなという思いはなきにしもあらず -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:32:21};
- ステータス的に魔法の武器化はされてないので、魔法の武器化まですると45000ガメル、オーダーメイドまでできるとちょっとアレかなと思うけど、規制が必要な程強力でもないと思う？規制はいらないに一票 -- [[ぶらう]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 18:17:09};
- 処理面倒になるから無くても良いな、程度。どっちでも。 -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:21:10};
- 回れば回るほど＝日の目の浴びない必殺攻撃の為に規制しないに一票。全力攻撃強いんですよorz -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:35:48};

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**〈夢幻の薬〉 [#xd7caa2d]
バランスブレイカーではないけどPCが手に入れるようなものじゃない。簡単に言うと夢が見れるようになる気持ち良い薬。
- 規制に一票。麻薬だよね。PCがほいほい手に入れていいものでも無いと思う。 -- [[seth]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:06:07};
- うーん……PCが使うのはあまりよろしくないと思われます。規制に一票。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:44:41};
- 麻薬＝ＮＧ品。危ない物は持たせないに限るので規制に一票。 -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:36:37};

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**〈防護の玉座〉 [#y38dbe3e]
ここで書かなくても多分誰も取らないアイテム。やっぱりPCが利用する機会はないだろう。
- 終盤の金銭、および名誉点の使い道として、城に匹敵するフレーバーアイテム。実用性皆無だからこそ、あっても問題なさそう。 -- [[人鳥]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 20:32:22};
- これは……規制、とまではいかないかもしれませんが、ほいほい出るのは困るアイテムだと思われます。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:45:32};
- これはボスが座るための（ｒｙ　　別にあってもいいとは思います。ｗ -- [[緋咲]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 12:10:22};
- PCが買っても役に立つ機会はほぼ皆無。買いたい人は買えばいいんじゃないかな！　ちなみにボスにはすでに座らせました -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:35:28};
- あっても別に…？　ただ、購入したら引退フラグだよな、とは。 -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:35:00};
- 規制しないに一票。趣味にいいかも。 -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:37:16};

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**〈フローティングスフィア〉 [#u93d5814]
　【リピート・アクション】が最大１０回使用できるようになるアイテム（何
　フリーセッションでは強くなりがちなマギシューの装備制限が外れ、さらに強くなってしまう問題児。
- 規制に一票。バランス崩壊を招く恐れがあると思われます。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:41:16};
- やっちゃった感が結構あるなーってアイテムの一つだと思う。規制しておいた方が無難かと -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:38:48};
- 規制に一票。ガンベルトや矢筒数制限するのにコレが追加されたのかがわからない。 -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:38:41};
- マギシュー無双はちょっと･･･ということで一先ず規制に一票 -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:38:46};

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**〈魔香水〉 [#e27165b8]
　早い話がＭＰポーション。レンジャーの人気が高騰する代わりに、既成の観念が瓦解する危険性特大。
　全面禁止とまではいかずとも、１日１回しか効果を得られない、くらいの調整は必要か。
- 正直に申し上げますと欲ｓ（たーん）ですが、魔香草がほぼ空気になってしまうので、一日一回や、ポーションマスターでも、補助動作では使えないなど行えばよいのではないでしょうか。しかし、個人的には制限なしで解禁のほうが嬉ｓ（たーん） -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:47:19};
- コメント的にレンジャーが大量に持ち歩いて、戦闘終了後ＭＰを瞬時にある程度回復させることを危惧してるのかな？戦闘中の使用に関しては、練技に対する魔晶石が使用できるようになって素ＭＰの価値が下がったのと、戦闘用アイテム個数の制限から、言うほど壊れた性能のアイテムではないと思う。（高レベルレンジャーが持つと圧倒的に魔晶石より安上がりになるけどね！） -- [[みけらっと]] &new{2009-09-07 (月) 19:49:54};
- レンジャー前提の段階で規制する程じゃないかなと。お高いし。魔香草はレンジャーじゃなくても使えるから強いんですぜ! それでレンジャーが増えるならそれはそれでいいかと思いますし --  &new{2009-09-07 (月) 22:04:34};
- 頑張レンジャイ！　あまりにひどい状況が起こるようならパッチを入れなきゃいけないかもしれないけど、ひとまずはいいかなと思います -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:42:03};
- そのまま入れると、殆どいないけどポーマスがアレな事になるんじゃないかなー、でも全面禁止する程じゃないと思うのである程度の調整で出荷OKなんじゃないかなと -- [[ぶらう]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 18:18:46};
- 個人的にほｓ（ｒｙ　　所持数制限くらいつければ大丈夫そう？ -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:56:31};
- そのまま出してもいいかなぁとはちょっと思ったけれど、アイテム所持数を考えるとレンジャーが山のように使えるほどでは無い気がします。戦闘後のＭＰ回復を問題にするなら所持数限界あればよし、と。 -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:41:14};

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**〈勇者の証〉 [#ud1319e6]
言わずもがな成長操作。
- 規制一票はいりまーす（・×・　いや、まあ、アリっちゃアリかもしれないけど1000点ごとに成長とかGMPブッ込んでの成長とかみたいな、「セッション後に1回成長」とは限らないこのサイトのシステムには合わないなーと思う所存。 -- [[TALE]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 19:54:18};
- 誰もが買えるとした場合、ＧＭＰで初期状態から装備させたくなるので非常にアレ。非売品だと言わずもがな。 -- [[人鳥]] &new{2009-09-05 (土) 20:33:24};
- 規制に一票。 -- [[seth]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:07:14};
- 規制したほうがよいと思います。成長操作…はあまりよろしくないのではないでしょうか。 -- [[なまけもの]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 10:48:05};
- 規制に一票。通常のレギュレーションならともかく、このサイトのレギュレーションでは成長回数が多い上、常時装備部位をセッション中埋めるというデメリットを無視する方法があるので。 -- [[タマゴ]] &new{2009-09-06 (日) 14:09:53};
- 規制に一票。この環境ではよろしくない -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:42:43};
- 規制に一票。フリーで導入にはよろしくないのです。 -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:57:34};
- 成長操作はうれしくないので規制に一票。 -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:42:04};

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**〈ミュージックシェル〉 [#fe9d5de2]
呪歌を録音。補助動作で再生可能。呪歌の達成値は録音時のもの。何回でも使用可能。
前衛がモラル等使える様になる。フリセだと管理に問題か？
- 処理が煩雑になるのと、前衛がおもむろに皆貝殻からモラルだぜ！　とか言い出すと若干寂しい気分になる、のであまり積極的に導入はしたくない部類 -- [[はらぐろ]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 17:44:21};
- 管理面でかなり面倒になりそうなので、規制しておいたほうがいいと思います。極論ですが、達成値が鬼の様に高いレクイエムを持ち運んだりも出来る可能性があるわけで。ギミックで出すのはありかと思いますが、セッションを越えてPCが持っているべきではないかな、と。 -- [[seth]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 18:19:28};
- 既に前衛は皆キャッツアイやデモフィン必須になってるから戦闘用アイテム欄使うようになればバランスはそこまで変わらないかと。ついでにバード促進にもなるといいな。録音はセッション前もしくはセッション外で振ってキャラシに記録すればいいんじゃないかな -- [[ぶらう]] &new{2009-09-08 (火) 18:21:34};
- これ録音してもらう人モラル持ちいないよね（ぇ -- [[またたび]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 07:53:12};
- 処理面倒になるし、セッション同席したバードがしょんぼりになりそうだから積極的に導入したくない感じ。　導入するならするで、セッション持ち越して録音は不可ってくらいなら。。 -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-09 (水) 13:10:08};
- で、こいつの有効範囲は何ｍなんだ。話はそれからだ……。というのは置いといても、バードは基本的に歌ってる暇がないことが多いので、１セッション内に１回しか録音できず、セッションが終わったら録音消滅、ならばうれしいなあとは思います。バードはプリースト並にキャラクターの設定に影響するので、「バードを１だけとってモラル取得しとく」というのはないかなあ、とか。あるいは、バード３以上(ペット取得)とか５以上(ハーモニー取得)とか、制限をつけるのもよいかもしれませんが、ちとややこしいかもですね。 -- [[トレント]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 07:19:52};
- バード技能所持者が「ペットのかわりに購入・維持できるようになる」くらいのパッチだとわかりやすいかも。事前録音できるペット扱い？ -- [[さくら]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:36:46};
- 条件付規制に一票。要バード技能、録音は保持ＰＣからのみセッション内で一度きり（他ＰＣに依頼不可）、セッション終了後に録音消滅（アイテムは再利用可能）くらいがいいかなと思います。歌ってる暇のないバードに愛の手を！ｗまあハーモニー使って二曲＋シェル再生で一曲（複数個同時再生でさらに上乗せ）とかなってくると酷いことになるので所持数制限はあってもいいかと。価格幾らかってのにもよりますが（一個一万とか言われたら別にいいんじゃない？って気になる -- [[荒ポン]] &new{2009-09-11 (金) 10:48:21};

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